Snowker and Orion

DM #2, somewhere around 14:30

[02] <:G:> Orion! - IP:89.135.85.246
[05] <:G:> Sn›wker - IP:109.80.93.204


What happened: I joined the server where couple of people were standing in spec, then andi told me to check Orion's nickname, and it was "Hitler". Then someone else in spec told me that he won't remove it, so I asked him to do it, and he removed it. After that Snowker was defending Orion by saying, and i quote exact words "Hitler was a good man". Snowker then threw some insults at Jokers (who were 4 on the server), about our childishness cause we don't like hitler . Anyway, don't have any screenies, only the whole chat log:

Code:

> Adding player Killer ball
> Adding player >?< t-!2exx'
> Adding player <:G:> Hitler
> Adding player jenek
> Adding player WiNo-Futur.
> Adding player <:G:> Sn›wker
> Adding player f0xZ
> Adding player >?< L‚›parD
> Adding player Marcel
> Adding player <:G:> Grifis
> Adding player Docter
> Adding player >?< Oxygen 66
> Adding player VIRUS
Server: Welcome!  Version v2.11f
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : Hello!
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : snow, you have 15 mins. pls.
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : |-|ell(.)!
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : Hello!
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : Leo how old r u?
(Spectator)(Team)>?< t-!2exx' : ee
(Spectator)(Team)>?< t-!2exx' : vidio ovom orionu ime  //translates to: "check orion's name
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : no I dont
(Spectator)(Team)>?< Cinc Try : lol
} <:G:> Hitler : wait
} <:G:> Hitler : jokers
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : wuhu
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : hah
} (Dead)Maiden(HUN) : Hello!
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : I have just 16
(Spectator)<:G:> Hitler : i call
(Spectator)<:G:> Hitler : maybe
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : so u can
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : ^^
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : sure.. :X
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : btw orion, change your nick
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : why?
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : it's disturbing
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : lol xDDDDD
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : change nick? xD
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : because a cm during 15 min
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : cinc omg
> Player <:G:> Hitler changed his name for <:G:> Orion!
(Spectator)(Team)>?< Oxygen 66 : round *
(Spectator)<:G:> Orion! : omfg
(Spectator)<:G:> Orion! : not online tag
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : Argh...
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : sorry
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : jokers
} (Dead)WiNo-Futur. : i regreat that i have not screen
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : I dont play vs jokers .. smal chill
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : sorry ori
} <:G:> Orion! : ok
(Spectator)(Team)>?< t-!2exx' : haha
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : lol
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : ^^
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : someone who writes "NAB" on screenshots is pretty more mature
} <:G:> Orion! : peace ^^
} <:G:> Orion! : xD
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : chill want say child ?
(Spectator)(Team)>?< Cinc Try : xD
} (Dead)WiNo-Futur. : what peace? u skinhead or not? fuckijn idiot
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : xD
} <:G:> Orion! : u dontt saw xD nab
} <:G:> Orion! : heh..
} (Dead)WiNo-Futur. : do u see hitler say "peace and love dude" c'mon
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : Hitler waas good man ;)
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : omg.
} <:G:> Orion! : ye
} (Dead)WiNo-Futur. : screened.
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : sure
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : take his ip too
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : For me was htirler for u noo ;)
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : so what?
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : Hitler is normal man how u ;)
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : why he's good men?
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : explain for see
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : for me
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : but for u maybe no
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : Yes :)
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : lol
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : i cant let u do that on a public server
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : this is my opinion and snowker
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : sure
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : But that's not an opinion
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : sorry, public opinions not allowed in some cases
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : like holocaust and racism
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : whate are u sayd ?!
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : grifis dont u have a shame to play with them??
{ <:G:> Grifis : Meh..
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : Cinc do you know what is holocaust? :/
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : imagine i wrote "I hate black ppl" in my nick
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : lol.
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : a question is, do you know
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : why
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : if you knew, you wouldn't be idolising hitler
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : u think the punks are better than skinheads
} <:G:> Orion! : ?
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : just a group of ppl
} <:G:> Orion! : no
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : punks are for tolerance
{ (Dead)<:G:> Grifis : just to know
} <:G:> Orion! : tthe punks drink all day...
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : skinhead too
{ (Dead)<:G:> Grifis : its a joke or not
} <:G:> Orion! : me not
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : me too xD
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : If you hold this remarks on server public, you'll be banned. Either smart
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : but alcohol...
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : I like alcohol fu ori xD
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : me too
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : :)
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : but im not alcoholist
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : ;)
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : ori, what is fun is that u folow what snow say but u even dont know
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : s a skin or a punk
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : whats*
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : Iam for skin and ur for punk
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : my opinon, your opinion
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : listen kid
(Spectator)>?< Oxygen 66 : Orion, explains what he did right Hitler?
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : there are some things about which you CANT say your opinion in public
{ <:G:> Grifis : how old are you guys
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : go in israel and say "I love Hitler"
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : :-)
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : xd
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : and see how long you can survive
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : same here
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : but i dont go
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : israel
} (Dead)<:G:> Orion! : ....
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : i have zero tolerance on insults, racism etc
(Spectator)WiNo-Futur. : snow & orion u from pl ?
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : means i'm offended by your behavious
{ <:G:> Sn›wker : Nope
(Spectator)>?< t-!2exx' : cz
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : behaviour
{ (Dead)<:G:> Sn›wker : Iam from the czech republic and  he is from hungary
(Spectator)>?< Cinc Try : it's a matter of time before you get banned if you don't stop acting like that

Btw this chat log thingy is really useful!

Cinci is everyone's thing, if he likes it or not Hitler:) I am the man of their legal and no one will say what I have and I do not do

And Ban me? xDDD for what? lol

BTW: Chat you can change .. screen? )

regards Snowker

i was here and u snowker and ur friend orion said very untolerable things in a public server :

'hitler was fun'
'hitler was a normal person'
'hitler was a good person'
'we are skinheads' - by the way read the story of skinheads and u'll see its another thing which nazi steal to people culture.

u two was just looking like kids who even dont know whats holocaust or nazism..
i was very choked by ur sentence and i hope u will get a ban for a week or something.
thats all i have to say

edit : screen ?


and ye i insulted u, laud hitler and 3e reich is one of the thing i cannot accept and cannot laught about it.

It was unbearable to hear about Hitler ideology errors. We all learned in school and he did horrible. All he could undertake was bad. How to find something good in him?

I believe that the immature is you, and you not measure your words.

Snowker ftw!

we are just childs

For me was normal person how u

and whatever u just said makes a lot of sense

Snowker is owning himself, lulz

Snowker wrote:Cinci is everyone's thing, if he likes it or not Hitler:) I am the man of their legal and no one will say what I have and I do not do

And Ban me? xDDD for what? lol

BTW: Chat you can change .. screen? )

regards Snowker

Snowker, you probably are referring to the freedom of speech but you need to understand that its power is not absolute. What you said on the server can be interpreted as a pro-nazi gesture. In reality I don't think it's anything more than a couple of kids being very naive. You are free to speak as long as you don't interfere with the freedoms of other individuals. There is something called offense principle or harm principle that limit freedom of speech. There's no point in explaining all this to you and your friend. Had it been intended as a joke maybe it would have been a different case. Since you came here with this arrogant, winking attitude, being sure that you wouldn't be banned, let me enlighten you. You will be banned for stuff like this. This is an international forum and as such we don't have strict rules for these things. Normally, freedom of speech can be limited by use of legal sanctions or social disapproval which has occurred already. Anyone with knowledge of law can realize that you are walking a fine line. Both you and Orion should consider this your first and last warning of the sort. Have a nice day

There is no place for nazi dickheads in this community, if You guys are so into Hitlers ideology You should visit his deathcamps - masterpiece in his genial plan... Your either have severe lack in your history education, or You are just being ignorant picking the facts that suits your ideology..
If it was up to me You would be already excluded from this community so chose your words carefully next time, just a friendly warning.

Gloom wrote:There is no place for nazi dickheads in this community, if You guys are so into Hitlers ideology You should visit his deathcamps - masterpiece in his genial plan... Your either have severe lack in your history education, or You are just being ignorant picking the facts that suits your ideology..
If it was up to me You would be already excluded from this community so chose your words carefully next time, just a friendly warning.

My grandad died in a deathcamp. He got drunk and fell out of the watchtower. Haha

But seriously, this is a prime example of "having fun" in a wrong way. True, Hitler did do a lot of good for Germany and being a nazi is your choice like being a proponent of nazism but there are sites, clubs and forums for that and I agree that BV servers is not the place to spread the message

Yes I know :/ next time I will follow the advice of

Snowker wrote:Yes I know :/ next time I will follow the advice of

Great . So problem solved and the topic can be closed.

I guess Satan should get baned too for using that name. Grendel too. Hmmm can't think of any other at the moment but I'm sure there are many more. I think I'll start a one-serial-killer-name-a-day month, see what happens.

varlan wrote:I think I'll start a one-serial-killer-name-a-day month, see what happens.

What happens is you get banned.

P.S what did you mean by satan and grend, that they used insulting nicknames at some point?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

:-)

Thought you were less hairy Grend

That wiki pic of Grendel looks more like Chewbacca

Lol that would mean I can't smurf as any fictional mass murder villain now... Congrats varlan on proving another pointless point

just don't forget your freedom ends where others begin

There is a difference between Hitler and a fictional character. Come on now..
Anyways, this is solved I guess.